Comments on: Is Jamie Moyer Hall of Fame material? You vote. http://blog.ballhyped.com/wcbias/2009/05/13/is-jamie-moyer-hall-of-fame-material-you-vote/ In the West We Trust Sun, 02 Jan 2011 23:23:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: adam http://blog.ballhyped.com/wcbias/2009/05/13/is-jamie-moyer-hall-of-fame-material-you-vote/#comment-898 adam Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:00:15 +0000 http://www.wcbias.com/?p=774#comment-898 I did compare Moyer's Runs Allowed vs. the league average (for the AL and NL in the year he pitched) and for his career he is about .2 above average. It should be pointed out as someone else did the overall Runs Allowd is much higher then in the 70's and 80's. I used Runs Allowed rather then Earned Runs because the name of the game is preventing runs. Nolan Ryan was about .5 above average for his career. He got in because of strikeouts and no hitters anyway and durability. Tom Seaver was about 1 although this was more at a glance. So a little above average for a long career for Jamie Moyer I don't know if that is enough. It is unfair to compare pitchers today to those who pitched in the 70's and 80's as overall Runs Allowed were significantly lower. I guess if other durable slightly above average pitcher have got in you could make some argument for Moyer which may be true of Niekro and Sutton although I didn't run the numbers for them. I did compare Moyer’s Runs Allowed vs. the league average (for the AL and NL in the year he pitched) and for his career he is about .2 above average. It should be pointed out as someone else did the overall Runs Allowd is much higher then in the 70′s and 80′s. I used Runs Allowed rather then Earned Runs because the name of the game is preventing runs. Nolan Ryan was about .5 above average for his career. He got in because of strikeouts and no hitters anyway and durability. Tom Seaver was about 1 although this was more at a glance. So a little above average for a long career for Jamie Moyer I don’t know if that is enough. It is unfair to compare pitchers today to those who pitched in the 70′s and 80′s as overall Runs Allowed were significantly lower. I guess if other durable slightly above average pitcher have got in you could make some argument for Moyer which may be true of Niekro and Sutton although I didn’t run the numbers for them.

]]> By: mike http://blog.ballhyped.com/wcbias/2009/05/13/is-jamie-moyer-hall-of-fame-material-you-vote/#comment-897 mike Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:42:34 +0000 http://www.wcbias.com/?p=774#comment-897 Moyer is an above-average journeyman picther. He's not even in the same category as Kaat, Morris, or Blyleven. 300 wins is the milestone that essentially gurantees a spot in the hall. Don Sutton and Phil Niekro were Jamie Moyeresque picthers who simply reached 300 wins in a era which favored picthers (more appearances, weaker sluggers, bigger parks). Had Moyer started his career in the 1970s he may well have reached the 300 win plateau. I dont think Sutton and Niekro are worthy hall of famers either. These arbitrary numbers like 300 wins and 500 homers often overshadow otherwise average careers. Excellence and not simply longetivity is what the hall should award. Moyer rarely appeard in the top 5 of major pitching categories, whereas a Pedro Martinez or Sandy Koufax led the league for at least 4-5 in several important categorie; this, in my opinion, is excellence. Moyer is an above-average journeyman picther. He’s not even in the same category as Kaat, Morris, or Blyleven.

300 wins is the milestone that essentially gurantees a spot in the hall. Don Sutton and Phil Niekro were Jamie Moyeresque picthers who simply reached 300 wins in a era which favored picthers (more appearances, weaker sluggers, bigger parks).

Had Moyer started his career in the 1970s he may well have reached the 300 win plateau.

I dont think Sutton and Niekro are worthy hall of famers either. These arbitrary numbers like 300 wins and 500 homers often overshadow otherwise average careers.

Excellence and not simply longetivity is what the hall should award. Moyer rarely appeard in the top 5 of major pitching categories, whereas a Pedro Martinez or Sandy Koufax led the league for at least 4-5 in several important categorie; this, in my opinion, is excellence.

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